Dawn of the Planet of the Apes of the sequel of the other movie of the

SimonKJonesSimonKJones ModeratorWebsite User, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 4,450 Enthusiast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sHMCRaS3ao
I was genuinely surprised by the Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which turned out to be a more nuanced film than I think anybody was expecting.
The sequel is looking every bit as good and not the cash-in that I'd feared. It also looks like we're properly at the stage now where a film can have an extensively digital cast mixed with a real cast without anybody batting an eyelid.

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  • KirstieTKirstieT Staff Administrator, Moderator, Website User Posts: 1,055 Staff
    I think a film where you genuinely don't know which side you'd fight for - or whether they should be fighting at all, is as good a premise as any. 
  • StormyKnightStormyKnight Moderator, Website User, Ambassador, Imerge Beta Tester, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 2,726 Ambassador
    I admit I was sceptical about the reboot of the series, the first being the worst so far, I'm glad they went back to a serious direction in the treatment of the story. I liked "Rise" a lot and not just because John Lithgow was in it, I think it was more towards the realistic approach that drew me to it. In short, if the scene makes the hair on my neck stand up- yeah, I'm an easy sell.
    I still love the cheesy originals, I loved them when I was a kid, but with the technical advances in movies I can see why someone would want to "update" the look of the story. I just hope they have moments that chill you like the first ape hunt in the cornfield a la 1968. Watching that for the first time when I was about 7 years old, I was ab. so. lutely. Terrified.(copying Kirstie there) The Statue of Liberty at the end was brilliant, imho. Recognizable to just about everyone on earth. That's where I think the 2001 remake went wrong. It strained the story and the humor seemed forced.
    "Dawn" looks like it could be really good. Looks a little more intense and like I've said about other remakes (tv or movie), it's Planet of the Apes.....all grown up.
  • MichaelJamesMichaelJames Website User Posts: 2,038 Enthusiast
    Simon you don't do cash in's in until after the first trilogy.  After the next movie get ready for mid morning of the planet of the apes, evening of the planet of the apes and the porno spoof Late night with the apes of a planet.
  • FilmWorldFilmWorld Website User Posts: 12
      I love Planet of the Apes(The one with Mark Wahlberg) and Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and this one look just as good so far. 
      What is up with SO MANY good movies coming out... IT'S AWESOME!!!!! :)
  • CalebKCalebK Website User Posts: 435
    I wasn't going to see that movie.... Until I saw that trailer! It looks to be allot better than I thought! The first of the reboot was soo good!
  • AculagAculag Website User Posts: 708 Just Starting Out
    Looks pretty impressive.  The apes look even better than in the first movie, which is quite something.  Not entirely sold on the human cast (except for Gary Oldman), but I guess in the first one the humans didn't really matter much anyway, so it's probably a similar thing here.  
  • SpectralisSpectralis Website User Posts: 12
    I thought the Planet of the Apes reboot was dreadful.  Mark Wahlberg was awful and totally unconvincing as a scientist.  Cheesy Bonham Carter, Burton's partner, is in every Burton film which just ruined the suspension of disbelief for me.  She does exactly the same OTT performance in every film.  Tim Burton was completely the wrong choice for director because he had to impose his quirkiness on a story that already has plenty of eccentric originality and a serious underlying message that he failed to bring out.  The significance of the scene where Zaius (Heston) reveals the human weapon to Thade (Roth), a re-staging from the original, was thrown away by Burton - what a disgrace!  
    Fortunately, nearly all of these criticisms were resolved in the second reboot where the serious underlying message was brought out.  Ok, the original franchise got more and more silly as it progressed but the reboots offer the opportunity to treat the themes of the original book much more seriously.  Long may this continue...
  • SimonKJonesSimonKJones Moderator Website User, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 4,450 Enthusiast
    Yeah, Burton's Apes film was atrocious (other than Tim Roth's performance, which is stunning). In fact, it was pretty much the point where I stopped loving all of Burton's films.
  • Triem23Triem23 Moderator Moderator, Website User, Ambassador, Imerge Beta Tester, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 18,244 Ambassador
    The problem with Burton's PotA is that he went in trying to "out twist" Rod Serling, rather than return to the book or put his own twist on the theme. So you end up with this very mediocre action film with this terrible twist ending that makes no sense at all, whatsoever! (Unless, of course, he and the original space station were somehow transported to the distant past? Which is not supported by anything in the film, and would still be stupid.)
    Dawn was very well done.
  • SimonKJonesSimonKJones Moderator Website User, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 4,450 Enthusiast
    It's a real shame, because Baker's prosthetics in that film are absolutely glorious. Kinda the last major full-prosthetics film I can think of, on that kinda scale, before everything went fully CG a la Gollum, Avatar, new Apes etc.
    To get even more tangential, having seen the remarkable ageing techniques used on Haley Atwell in The Winter Soldier, it does seem like traditional prosthetics make-up is going to get rarer and rarer. The CG ageing was so much more successful than ANY practical ageing. In fact, it's probably the first time I've seen an actor be convincingly aged, outside of Benjamin Button.
  • NullUnitNullUnit Website User Posts: 791 Just Starting Out
    edited May 2014
    It's a real shame, because Baker's prosthetics in that film are absolutely glorious. Kinda the last major full-prosthetics film I can think of, on that kinda scale, before everything went fully CG a la Gollum, Avatar, new Apes etc.
    To get even more tangential, having seen the remarkable ageing techniques used on Haley Atwell in The Winter Soldier, it does seem like traditional prosthetics make-up is going to get rarer and rarer. The CG ageing was so much more successful than ANY practical ageing. In fact, it's probably the first time I've seen an actor be convincingly aged, outside of Benjamin Button.

    Absolutely. For a bit, during that scene, I thought they had hired a different actress to play the older version of herself. (which they almost could have, since she looked so different and the effects were so realistic.)
    Burton's Apes was horrible in terms of the story. I liked the makeup/costumes and the expanding of the ape culture though. And the "twist ending" made no sense at all.
    This reboot is better on every level and they did an amazing job of creating a interesting and compelling rift between humans and apes that goes beyond what the original movies even set up. I like the fact that the rift is mainly about the fact that humans can not accept the notion of there being other intelligent creatures on earth. Something we're dealing with today in terms of how we treat primates, dolphins, whales and so on.

  • KirstieTKirstieT Staff Administrator, Moderator, Website User Posts: 1,055 Staff
    I'm currently a real fan of Burton's movies. Perhaps I should steer clear of the old Planet of the Apes then eh? :)
  • StormyKnightStormyKnight Moderator, Website User, Ambassador, Imerge Beta Tester, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 2,726 Ambassador
    I'm currently a real fan of Burton's movies. Perhaps I should steer clear of the old Planet of the Apes then eh? :)

    That would depend on how morbid your curiosity is...you know what it did to the cat. ;) 
    It's fun to watch at least once but I, personally, didn't get any kind of attachment to it like the original. It felt more hollow to me, as in not much going on except showing off some new excellent ape effects. Just don't get your hopes up too high.

  • SpectralisSpectralis Website User Posts: 12
    edited May 2014
    That would depend on how morbid your curiosity is...you know what it did to the cat. ;) 
    It's fun to watch at least once but I, personally, didn't get any kind of attachment to it like the original. It felt more hollow to me, as in not much going on except showing off some new excellent ape effects. Just don't get your hopes up too high.


    If you haven't seen it then I agree it's a necessary but very frustrating watch for Apes fans.  The ape FX are really well done - it's such a shame the film doesn't really convince.  Burton has made some original and entertaining films in his own right even if he's quirky style has been stretched too thin in later films.  He didn't fit the Apes franchise unfortunately.

  • ivanhurbaivanhurba Website User Posts: 27
    I agree the Burton one was a disaster trying to out twist the original as Triem said. The best thing about Dawn is that they have a direction; the virus is a great setup to show how the apes can be more human than humans and setting it up directly on Earth freed them to show the consequences and how their society evolves in parallel to our dismissal.
    It's a great Monster in the house movie with a Fish out of the water story where the twist is that we love the monster. I'm looking forward to watch the new one!
  • KirstieTKirstieT Staff Administrator, Moderator, Website User Posts: 1,055 Staff
    That would depend on how morbid your curiosity is...you know what it did to the cat. ;) 


    I have an extraordinarily morbid curiosity and so shall give the Burton Planet of the Apes a watch. It seems the general consensus here is that it was a bit of a disaster, so hopefully the last film did something to placate the ones who were afraid the franchise had gone to pot?

  • Triem23Triem23 Moderator Moderator, Website User, Ambassador, Imerge Beta Tester, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 18,244 Ambassador
    What if "Rise" ended with the Apes creating the thing from the twist ending of Burton's... And Mark Wahlberg showed up in a post-credits tag?
  • SimonKJonesSimonKJones Moderator Website User, HitFilm Beta Tester Posts: 4,450 Enthusiast
    Just watch the trailer instead:
    http://youtu.be/I1lZ3un-kcg
    Then marvel at how awful late-90s/early-2000s trailers were. Awful titles. Awful music choice. Awful slave girl in full make-up character.
    It does highlight how awesome Tim Roth is in that film, though.
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